Direct vs Indirect

[dthomas]

As many people already know utilizing the non threatening, non sexual, opinion opener (Ex . who lies more men or women?) has become a popular choice of openers among PUAs. On the other hand, many of the guys who I consider 'naturally' good with women go in completely direct (ex. I had to come meet you!) and are incredibly successful in getting attraction and winning over the girl. My question to you is, what do you think is the best method for approaching and getting success with women?

[Gabe, aka Prof.]

The best method for approaching is either one as long as it is working. If you are comfortable regularly opening conversations with women either way, then you have developed a method that works and is most likely congruent with your personality. An opener is simply to get her into a conversation, if you get that far your opener has done it's job.

If it's not working...
One common problem I see are guys who refuse to use a canned opinion opener and then go out but don't approach any women. The best way to learn is to really get out there, put yourself on a limb and talk to everyone. A canned opinion opener is simply a non threating way to go and talk to a lot of women. That experience will improve your game faster than anything you can read about.

Openers and Conversation Starters

[PG Kamensky]

agree a canned opener is what you need because you need numbers which will raise your confidence

[Intrigue]

why choose? use BOTH! whichever one you feel like at the moment.

whenever i first start sarging my first couple sets are canned openers because they are so easy and a great way to warm up. then i usually use situational and direct whenever possible just because i get bored of the same openers and the same responses time after time.

hope that helps.
-intrigue

ps. you can always open with a direct opener and then stack an opinion opener with it.

[Zyruss Ribeu]

At the end... the important aspect is the delivery of the opener. Delivery is based on how tight ur game is and how confident you are in your skills. I think indirect openers are perfect to start, because it will give the newbie a chance to go below the radar and undertand how easy it can be to get further on in the conversation. Direct openers would be maybe to scary or provoque more rejections when delivered by someone unexperienced.

Now... when a person gets used to playing the game succesfully, after he "gets it", he will feel an overpowering confidence that will lead him to open in anyway and be succesfull just because of the mere belief.

So I would say a person should tighten up his game, get confident with indirect openers so then direct openers will be correctly delivered in a congruent way.

At the end the game is all about gettin the girl... so get one method running first, the test diferent approaches.

[PG Kamensky]

well the objective is not to lower her interest level with the opener, preferably to raise it, nothing is wrong with one compliment, it is better than telling her you have interest in her which makes you predictable right away, you want her to wonder if you like her or not, let me know which openers are working for you, also think in terms of a combination not just one line, just like a boxer does not just think in terms of which one punch he is going to deliver, but delivers combinations, that is my two cents

[PG Kamensky]

it has to be funny, it has to be light, do not seek approval, no heavy subjects, no bragging, be closed, always think ///will this raise or lower her interest level/// before opening your mouth, do not kiss butt, if the price of her acceptance is your integrity or individuality that is sanction of the victim, good girls are looking for backbone and a little attitude in a man, remember that women want what they can not have and predictability bores them, also remember that women do the choosing but you are the aggressor, she has to preserve that egg for only one guy, while you have a lot of seed... so do not ever take rejection personally or chase women, never try to keep someone who does not want to keep you, remember that the only way to bluff is not to bluff, be ready to walk, confident men are direct and closed, confident men are also funny, because it takes guts or confidence to crack jokes when you are afraid of lowering someone's interest level, but remember that, if she has a high interest in you she will laugh at your corny jokes, and if she has a low one, no matter how clever the joke, she will find it borring, women who like you help you, and female interest level cuts through everything, women are looking for sincerity, which means you have to actually pay attention to what she says, not worry about what you are going to say next, and let her do seventy percent of the talking, you have to be bold and assertive... this is it i am tired for now